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[edit] Second Order

This table shows those that are part of the second order (which went ahead on 27th March 2010) for 80 yards of cloth. If you add yourself to this list please confirm with phil at hands dot com.

Name email Item(s) Yards DC10 DC11 Phil's Notes
Elmar Geese 6yd machined kilt 6 GPG
Fabio Rosciano 6yd machined kilt 6 no delivered
Manoj Srivastava 8yd hand-sewn 8 (yes) delivered
Stefano Zacchiroli 6yd machined kilt + 4yd machined short skirt-kilt (lady's) for gift 10 yes delivered
Christoph Egger 6yd machined kilt 6 (no) GPG - (bank)
Andy Simpkins 8(9?)yd hand-sewn 8-9 (no) 250.00 deposit
maddog 8yd hand-sewn 8 yes delivered
Paul Adams 9yrd hand-sewn 9 No Full price paid
Steve McIntyre 3 yds tartan (material only) 3 n/a np
Wouter Verhelst some yards of material (unless someone else wants it more badly than me :-)  ?? yes
Bill Thompson 6 yds (material only) 6 no
Sam Hartman 6 yds machined kilt 6 no
Neil Williams 6yd machined kilt 6 yes
Matthew Sweet 8(9?)yd hand-sewn 8-9 no
Ties (2m == between 4 & 8 ties) ~6 yes
Totals: 77+

[edit] Small Items

To express an interest in small items (i.e. Ties), please add you name here:

Name email Tie(s) notes
Bernd Zeimetz 1
Stefano Zacchiroli 1 $USD 25.00 [PAID]
maddog 1 $USD 25.00 [PAID]
Simon Ruggier 1
Paul Heaney paul AT 1
Bill Thompson billt AT 1
Adrian von Bidder cmot AT 1 c/o Giacomo @DC10
Manoj Srivastava 1 @DC10 [PAID]
Paul Adams 1
Guido Trotter 1 @DC10
Tom Marble tmarble AT 1 @DC10, paid
Andrew McMillan 1 @DC10, paid
maddog 4
Jose Antonio Quevedo 1 @DC11 [PAID]
Markus Feilner 2

[edit] Prices

Hand-sewn, 8 yard kilt £456.50
Machined, 6-yard kilt £332.00
Ties £20.00
Cloth (33" wide) £25.00 per yard
Machined, 4-yard, skirt-kilt (lady's) £250.00-ish
Waistcoat £120.00-ish
Ladies shorts  ???
Ladies Mini-skirt  ???

The skirt-kilt and Waistcoat have not been ordered in the second batch so these are guestimates based on the first order. The shorts and miniskirt were mentioned in passing by Lesley -- she prefers shorts because they're more "comfy" -- she didn't mention prices, but I (fil) can ask if you're interested

Check if the larger of your waist or seat measurement is over 46" (measurement guide), then you need an extra yard of cloth for kilts, which for machined kilts will cost £30.00 more for the cloth and stitching -- hand-stitching costs more, but I don't know how much, ask if it's relevant to you. I imagine women's skirts are different again.

Prices are based on an order for a half-piece (i.e. 80 yards) for which the weavers charge £1920.00 (£24.00 per yard). The length woven can vary as it shrinks an unpredictable amount when washed and treated after weaving. The cost to make each kilt (CMT) is £285.00 for the hand sewn kilt and £225.00 for the machine sewn kilt. On this occasion we've negotiated a 10% discount from these prices making it £256.50 or £202.50 respectively.

[edit] Things that you might want to know:

[edit] The tartan:

We have it rendered large or if your browser scaled that and makes it ugly, try small

The size of that is such that the pattern will repeat about every 10 inches (with slight variation due to the vagaries of weaving).

The colours on my monitor actually provide a reasonable match to the finished cloth, but monitors vary, so no guarantees there.

When instructing a weaver, it's worth making sure that they get the cloth the right way round, so that when made into a kilt, the morse will read left-to-right and top-to-bottom, rather than bottom-to-top as it is in these images -- they got it right on the first run, but remember they're not used to having to worry about such things, so it's worth reminding them.

The copyright on the pattern resides with Ltd., having been assigned from Geoffrey (Tailor). I'm happy to distribute it under the GPL and/or write to any weavers that question their right to use it assuring them that they can. Obviously given that Geoffrey (Tailor) did a good job the first time round, and are familiar with the issues involved in getting it right, I'd suggest using them.

[edit] Notes about the tartan design:

It's predominantly red, to reflect the red from the logo, made of two shades of red to give a gradation towards the middle (the nearest thing I could get to a swirl in a plaid) the blue is "Electric Blue" which makes sense, since we wouldn't get far without electricity, and can be said to be a reference to Captain Blue Eye, there's a fair amount of black, and a little yellow, as a nod towards Tux, and the white spells out DEBIAN in morse (with a correct 1:3 ratio for dots to dashes, and for the pauses in and between letters).

Also, unusually (although not uniquely) for a tartan, it's not symmetric. The morse section does not repeat in reverse, so while it still looks like a fairly conventional tartan (if a little busy in the morse section) we don't get the reversed morse (which the designer helpfully pointed out would spell "ANIVEU" ;-). This means that the morse section can be made relatively larger without increasing the overall size of the sett.

[edit] Tartan Registration

By dint of the registration with The Scottish World Tartan Register mentioned below, we have been grandfathered into The Scottish Register of Tartans which gained its Royal Assent in 2008.

Here is a copy of the original SWTR certificate -- number: 3210


[edit] Geoffrey (Taylor) kiltmakers and weavers

These are the people that tidied up the original idea for the tartan into the design we ended up with, and are also the people that wove the first batch of tartan, and kiltmaking. They are also tailors, so can provide all the other bits of highland dress if you want to go for a full outfit.

[edit] Cloth

The cloth costs between £26.00 and £17.50 per yard (depending on quantity ordered). If less than 80 yards is ordered a setup fee is also charged, £400 as at April 2010). The cloth is about 29" wide. It's 16/17oz pure wool worstead. They teflon-coat the cloth as part of the finishing process to make it more stain-proof, which is very high-tech, eh?

[edit] Fitting sessions: London, New York & Scotland

Geoffrey (Taylor) offer a fitting service type thing in London. They are also occasionally in New York, and of course they have offices in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Oban.

[edit] 21st Century Kilts (TFCK)

TFCK is a spin-off of Geoffrey (Taylor), which others somewhat less traditional touches, such as adding back pockets, for phones, PDAs and the like. They also do detachable front pockets for kilts which, having seen Howie (the chap who setup TFCK) wearing some on Saturday, I must say look pretty odd, but each to their own, so maybe some of you would like to entertain such options.

If you have flash (unlike me) you may be able glean something from their web site. I note that among other things they do aircraft-style belt buckles, which seems like a laugh, for those moments when you need to dump your kilt on the floor in a hurry :-)

The back pockets are done so that they can be folded away inside the the kilt, so that if you're wearing it as evening wear it doesn't interfere with the look of the thing. The front pockets are removable. The prices for those that are interested are:

Back Wallet pocket £15
Back Waterbottle/PDA pocket £20
Back phone/key pocket £10
Extra inside pocket
one may already be included -- not sure
Front Pockets (removable) £75

[edit] Ties

It seems that the making-up fee for ties is £6.50 the tie makers managed to make 10 ties from 3.5m of cloth, which comes out at £16.00 per tie cost to us.

The material is rather heavy for ties, but apparently it is possible to make a decent tie, but you may find that it takes somewhat more effort than usual to achieve a neat knot.

[edit] VAT

The prices quoted by Geoffrey (Tailor) are all inclusive of 17.5% VAT, which people exporting the their kilt may be able to reclaim.

[edit] Past and Future Orders

[edit] Future Orders

Please note: The at the time of the first batch the weavers setup cost was £300.00. The prices quoted for kilts etc that were part of the Initial order did not include that cost. On the other hand, those prices are based on a per-yard cost of £25.00/yd, whereas the price charged for the cloth can drop to as low as £17.50 if two full pieces (320 yards) are ordered. For the first order, we used that discount to cover most of the one-off costs (tartan design, setup & registration) with the balance being paid by Ltd. as part of their sponsorship of Debconf. For subsequent orders, you'll need to cover the weaver's setup costs yourself, although they'll normally hide it in the £25.00/yd cost as long as you get at least on half piece (80 yards).

People perhaps interested at a later date:

Name email Item(s) Yards Budget for
Jonas Öberg 8yd hand-sewn, plus 2yd spare 10 £40
Julia Freeman a machined short skirt-kilt, sash as well from spare fabric 4 £40

[edit] Initial Order

This information is preserved for comparison purposes with subsequent orders:

Name Item(s) Yards Confirmed
(GPG mail)
Anthony Towns Kilt (machined)
tie perhaps
Bdale Garbee Kilt (machined)
Yes Yes
Keith Packard Kilt (machined) 6 Yes Yes
Kurt Roeckx Kilt (hand-sewn) 8 Yes Yes
Luca Capello Kilt (machined) 6 Yes
Luke Leighton Kilt (hand-sewn)
Daft Hat
(no GPG)
Mark Brown Kilt (hand-sewn) 8 Yes Yes
Mark Shuttleworth Kilt (hand-sewn) 8 Yes Yes
Mark Taylor Kilt (machined) 6 Yes
Natalie Mayer-Hutchings Kilted-Skirt 5 Yes
Neil McGovern Kilt (hand-sewn) 8 Yes Yes
Paul Sladen enough cloth to make a
Breacan Feile
10 Yes
Philip Hands Kilt (hand-sewn) 8 PGH Yes
Pierre Thierry Kilt (machined) 6 Yes Yes
Steve McIntyre Kilt (machined) 6 Yes Yes
Sven Mueller 4yds material
Yes N/A
Wouter Verhelst 5yds material 5 Yes N/A
Ties* 4.5 PGH
lucky last-minute-orders
Matthew Edmondson Kilt (machined) 6 Yes Yes
Guido Trotter Kilt (machined) 6 Yes Yes
Teemu Hukkanen Kilt (machined) 4+2 Yes Yes
Total Yardadge: 120.5

[edit] Weaving Completed

Kevin Campbell has taken some photos and a movie of the weaving in progress -- and Moray Allan took some more photos

As you can see from the fact that we got two extra kilts at the last minute, they actually wove 13.5 yards more than expected (well they wove the right amount, but it shrunk less than expected when being finished) so in the end we could stretch to two extra machined kilts and be left with about 18" of spare cloth

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