DebConf16/Meetings/2014-10-04

Meeting: DC16-CPT - Venue scouting planning -- 2014-10-04

Held at 2014-10-04T13:08:30Z in #debconf16-capetown on oftc. Convened by tumbleweed.

Attendees

• drnlm
• Hodgestar
• wendar
• nattie
• highvoltage
• madduck
• indiebio
• tumbleweed

Minutes

13:08:30 Meeting started
13:57:07 agreed: (sorta) indiebio will prod belmont square (tumbleweed)
14:29:22 agreed: venue priority list: http://betterpolls.com/v/41354 (tumbleweed)
14:29:40 agreed: meet at 9am at praekelt on monday (tumbleweed)
14:30:24 Meeting ended

Full log

13:08:30 <tumbleweed> tibid: start meeting about DC16-CPT - Venue scouting planning
13:08:30 * tibid gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
13:09:07 <indiebio> But I can list the links too when I next have time
13:08:56 <indiebio> Nattie was so kind as to put most of the numbers on the wiki, https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/venue_details#Summary_of_facilities
13:10:06 <tumbleweed> shall we work from the top?
13:10:12 <nattie> sure
13:10:24 <tumbleweed> so, UCT we want to visit
13:10:29 <tumbleweed> both upper campus and breakwater
13:11:18 <indiebio> yup. I've made contact with the UCT people, there's like, 50 to ask for.
13:11:29 <nattie> 50 of what?
13:11:32 <tumbleweed> sounds like UCT
13:11:38 <indiebio> ginggs will submit the application form when we're ready (I've filled in most of the bits)
13:11:45 <indiebio> 50 people, departments, application forms.
13:11:52 <indiebio> the forms need to be approved by senate...
13:11:54 <nattie> oh dear!
13:12:08 <indiebio> but I've madea start and after the initial groveling it seems pretty straightforward.
13:12:17 <wendar> well, we don't need approval by Dec 1, just general feasibility
13:12:23 <indiebio> Breakwater doesn't have an email, only a phone number, and I haven't had time to phone yet.
13:12:37 <indiebio> But their reception desk is pretty on the ball, so I think we should just pitch up
13:12:45 <wendar> sounds good
13:12:54 <indiebio> yeah, I don't foresee problems, I see UCT as the failsafe back up plan
13:12:57 <tumbleweed> (we now have cake)
13:13:23 <tumbleweed> indiebio: you mean upper campus?
13:13:37 <indiebio> Ok, upper campus as the failsafe, yes
13:13:58 <tumbleweed> any idea where on upper / middle campus we'd try to be?
13:14:04 <indiebio> apparently LEslie Social, and Kramer are the best sites, but I think the new Engineering buildings are pretty cool too - a plenary might need another building
13:14:26 <indiebio> side track: If we want to have it at Stellenbosch proper, I'm going to need help from an insider...
13:14:30 * Hodgestar catches up.
13:14:48 <indiebio> and then Breakwater I don't have an email, but their reception desk is on the ball, so we can just pitch up
13:14:56 <indiebio> UCT Upper we can jsut go wander around anyways
13:15:29 <indiebio> I don't know Kramer that well, Leslie social (LS) is pretty standard issue for stuff
13:16:01 <wendar> Techno Park and Lord Charles looked promising in terms of venue and lodging
13:16:18 <nattie> hotels have a tendency to do that ;)
13:16:46 <Hodgestar> Kramer is much nicer than Leslie Social, IMO.
13:17:27 <drnlm> Option we discussed at lunch - AIMS does has the option of using the city hall as an extra venue
13:17:28 <indiebio> yeah, so Techno and Lord Charles I got from the stias lady. She thinks they're more suitable than stias
13:17:28 <Hodgestar> (UCT's roleplaying convention is in Kramer in August every year).
13:17:50 <wendar> yeah, stias just didn't have the space
13:18:08 <Hodgestar> Another lunch idea was to find a large guest house a small way up the west coast.
13:18:08 <nattie> it was the extra rooms at stias that were the problem, right?
13:18:21 <indiebio> well, we also asked for 300, nattie thought if we asked for fewer, say 220, then it could have worked, but I think it's the extra rooms too, yes
13:18:43 <indiebio> might be worth a site visit, but from what I remember and from what people have been discussing, I genuinely think it's too small
13:19:04 <Hodgestar> The Black River Office park has also been suggested.
13:19:04 <nattie> so, site visit if and only if there's time to spare after other venues?
13:20:11 <highvoltage> where are these lists?
13:20:14 <indiebio> yeah. Blackriver Park, all my contacts there said it won't be suitable, the one lady, Karen, suggested the Cape Town stadium in greenpoint instead
13:20:36 <indiebio> I think it could be special, idealogically I might object, as it's a huge, useless, white elephant waste of money
13:20:37 <nattie> highvoltage: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/venue_details
13:20:43 <highvoltage> nattie: thanks
13:20:57 <nattie> it's two lists in quick succession each with different details, so do scroll down all the way
13:21:03 <tumbleweed> you think cape town stadium would be in our price range? I'm doubtful
13:21:12 <indiebio> sorry, that page doesn't look pretty yet :)
13:21:34 <indiebio> not sure, they're dying to make it work, so I don't know if that means high prices or super discounts...
13:21:46 <indiebio> talk on the street is it's cheaper to demolish than to maintain...
13:21:52 <indiebio> but it was an option so I listed it...
13:21:59 <tumbleweed> that migth mean discounts, yeah
13:22:17 <indiebio> ok, backtrack, the schoenstatt guy, Ryan said "Thank you very much for your enquiry, we would love to be able to assist you, but I am not sure the size of our venue will be adequate, according to the details below."
13:22:50 <nattie> i think we did initially pitch for too many people. i'm sorry, i should have caught that :-/
13:22:53 <indiebio> bandwidth barn doesn't have a contact email on their site which I think is bloody ridiculous
13:22:53 <tumbleweed> ok. it was a bit ouf an out-there option
13:23:03 <tumbleweed> (I mean schoenstatt)
13:23:22 <nattie> but yeah, schoenstatt looked like it would be just slightly too small, also in terms of accommodation
13:23:25 <indiebio> and I've heard that they're not too pleasant to work with. The accommodation and parking is also a huge issue... so I don't think that's an option
13:23:56 <indiebio> well, if we're thinking wine farms and dedicated conference venues there's a huge range. I just feel it's a bit too posh and poncey. misses the vibe.
13:24:18 <nattie> indiebio: but debconf is the poshest conference i know ;)
13:24:25 <indiebio> by the way, bandwidth barn the not too pleasant. schoenstatt seemed very friendly
13:24:30 <nattie> (shows what class of conference i go to...)
13:24:47 <indiebio> posh as in huge intellectual credits and high morals etc etc etc, not fake tans and stuff
13:24:49 * indiebio shudders
13:25:02 <nattie> i was teasing, anyway
13:25:06 <indiebio> :)
13:25:35 <indiebio> I think the river club could be very interesting, actually
13:25:43 <nattie> that's the golfy one?
13:25:46 <indiebio> it's close to the blackriver park and the UCT Obs residences...
13:26:01 <indiebio> very scenic, and close to the Fig restaurant, one of my favourite hangouts
13:26:06 <indiebio> yes
13:26:31 <indiebio> might need some graft for the breakways, but I think they're easy going. Think we need to definitely check them out
13:26:52 <indiebio> what's the opinions on Chrysalis and AIMS?
13:27:09 <indiebio> And apparently Mark's farm not to be considered as a conf venue, more as a day trip, correct?
13:27:29 <nattie> debcamp-time outing, i suspect, much like the cheese monastery in BL
13:27:34 <highvoltage> indiebio: AIMS is too small
13:27:55 <indiebio> Spier, TechnoPark and Lord Charles, all rather suitable, but likely rather pricey...
13:27:58 <indiebio> my opinion...
13:28:08 <nattie> those are the hotel options?
13:28:17 <indiebio> Sortof yes
13:28:26 <nattie> can i make a quick interjection?
13:28:27 <indiebio> They're close together if we want to site visit them all quickly.
13:28:35 <indiebio> sure :)
13:28:37 <nattie> how important is it to us to have the entirety of a venue?
13:28:39 <tumbleweed> indiebio: what we remembered today is that muzineburg pavillion is just by AIMS
13:28:48 <indiebio> oh ya!
13:28:50 <tumbleweed> and pipedream had originally suggested having that as the plenary venue
13:28:55 <nattie> should i save that interjection for later?
13:29:15 <indiebio> well, I was there for TEDxAIMS and then for a boxing match... both were cool :)
13:29:25 <indiebio> nono, what's the interjection?
13:29:39 <nattie> that was it: how important is it for us to have a complete venue to ourselves?
13:30:00 <tumbleweed> for a university, that can be impossible
13:30:07 <nattie> well, *yeah*
13:30:17 <nattie> i'm not *that* much of a megalomaniac
13:30:17 <wendar> it wasn't disruptive to share the venue this year
13:30:17 <indiebio> oh :) I don't think crucial, but we do need a *space* for ourselves.
13:30:17 <tumbleweed> having debconf in the middle of PDX, and nicaragua, really wasn't an issue
13:30:30 <wendar> I don't think we need to be exclusive
13:30:55 <nattie> but a certain space to ourselves is important
13:31:00 <nattie> in case of foot-nudists ;)
13:31:15 <wendar> aye, and enough separation so as not to scare the locals
13:31:37 <indiebio> hahaha, well, we'll fit right in in Muizenberg :P
13:32:04 <indiebio> And my house is right ther, and *touch wood* will be completed by 2016 and have lots of space for people bunking down
13:32:21 <nattie> debcamp at indiebio's house! ;)
13:32:30 <indiebio> yeah!
13:32:49 <indiebio> mmm, I *could* accommodate 300 at a stretch. The neighbours might complain
13:32:59 * nattie bagsies the couch
13:33:20 <nattie> some people are welcome to join me there, but i'm not saying who
13:33:59 <nattie> oh, debcamp will only be about 50, so you'll be fine!
13:34:09 <tumbleweed> drnlm is just giving us his verbal opinion on the somerset west hotels, and that he doesn't have high hopes for them
13:34:14 <tumbleweed> (like the rest of us, it sounds)
13:34:22 <nattie> tumbleweed: which ones are those?
13:34:35 <tumbleweed> nattie: lord charles, technopark, etc
13:34:44 * nattie apologises for being geographically disadvantages
13:34:55 <nattie> so, lack of high hopes due to being too expensive etc?
13:35:28 <indiebio> yah, not too be Cape Town biased, but I'm also not super hopeful
13:35:46 <indiebio> Technopark may be interesting, Spier is for sure going to be pricey, they're in high demand. I think Lord Charles is too poncey
13:36:03 <drnlm> Lord Charles is problematic because there isn't really alternative accomdation nearby, and we may be not be able to secure enough rooms, since I don't know how empty they are in the off season
13:36:26 <indiebio> I don
13:36:35 <indiebio> I don't think Stellies ever has an off season
13:36:38 <drnlm> The Techno Park option could probably work, although I don't know that venue at all
13:36:43 <nattie> so, worth a look but not top priority?
13:36:56 <indiebio> they have a partnership with Protea hotels, but again, it seems to lock us to one venue
13:38:40 <indiebio> In terms of keeping our options open, and a technopark is sortof in the right geek-space, yeah, perhaps
13:38:49 <drnlm> Spier is likely to be too expensive, and as it's one of the better known places in the area, might be hard to get space for long enough
13:39:11 <tumbleweed> I'm assuming it doesn't have enough nearby accom, too
13:39:18 <drnlm> That is also true
13:39:34 <nattie> is anyone keeping track?
13:39:55 <drnlm> Hodgestar is updating the wiki page, I believe
13:39:56 <tumbleweed> Hodgestar is busy setting up a vote for ranking venues
13:40:07 <tumbleweed> crazy idea: city hall?
13:40:08 <nattie> ooh, ok
13:40:16 <nattie> tumbleweed: a la Banski Dvor?
13:40:20 <tumbleweed> yeah
13:40:22 <tumbleweed> it's very similar
13:40:30 <nattie> crazy enough it could work. but where would we sleep?
13:40:43 <tumbleweed> and has a bunch of big empty rooms on the top floor
13:40:54 <indiebio> could do. I have an allergy to the city though...
13:40:59 <tumbleweed> there are hotels around, but yeah, city centre
13:41:09 <Hodgestar> Done updating wiki page for now. Creating poll ...
13:41:13 <indiebio> TEDxCapeTown 2014 (which I was not involved in) was held at the city hall. I can ask my peeps the ins and outs
13:41:16 <nattie> that would make it *very* townie
13:41:33 <indiebio> there's hotels and backpackers scattered around town. But operative word being scattered
13:41:42 <nattie> which actually i suspect people would like, because not everybody is a self-contained freak like me
13:42:11 * nattie admits she has a fairly strong preference for the self-contained thing, but knows she's in the minority for this as a general rule
13:42:18 <indiebio> I think town is dodge. I don't like it. Just my two cents
13:42:27 <tumbleweed> yeah, security would be a nightmare
13:42:38 <indiebio> I think in terms of townie, Breakwater is our best bet
13:42:47 <tumbleweed> yep
13:42:52 <nattie> Breakwater looked really nice from the website
13:43:17 <indiebio> it IS, I really like conferences there. I just don't know the admin, but having ginggs as UCT staff helps lots
13:43:31 <indiebio> they *might* be pricey
13:43:44 <indiebio> it's an old prison, hehehe
13:43:45 <nattie> hurrah for proxies
13:43:48 <nattie> heh
13:44:00 <nattie> you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!
13:44:03 <wendar> yeah, they didn't have price lists for venue. lodging was in our price range
13:44:08 <indiebio> yup...
13:44:25 <indiebio> oh cool. I suspect if we get the right contacts we maaaayyyy be able to get at least some stuff for free
13:44:37 <nattie> much batting of eyelashes?
13:44:44 <indiebio> especially if we tag on a development project like I'm wont to do
13:45:04 <indiebio> they're all about social entrepreneurship at the moment...
13:45:20 <wendar> that's a good link with debian
13:45:42 <wendar> maybe a theme for for Debian Day
13:45:56 <indiebio> there's also backpackers and other stuff all round, very central, hippie side of town. Seriously, as much as I despise hipsters and poncey, that side is friggin beautiful
13:46:10 <indiebio> yup, I'll harass you about that later :)
13:46:24 <indiebio> not so much social entrepreneurship, but something along those lines. :D
13:47:03 <indiebio> ok, so venue poll, hodgestar?
13:47:01 <Hodgestar> Poll: http://betterpolls.com/do/41354
13:47:07 <indiebio> too quick! :)
13:47:12 <nattie> way ahead of ya! :)
13:47:17 <wendar> he has a time machine ;)
13:47:32 <nattie> does he also have a soda machine? that would be really useful
13:47:33 <Hodgestar> Can everyone look at the poll and shout if they see any options missing or having any questions?
13:47:40 <indiebio> so is this poll for doing now in terms of preference for site vists, or what?
13:47:40 <Hodgestar> s/having/have/
13:48:00 <indiebio> oooh, I need a soda machine. bubbles....
13:48:02 <tumbleweed> indiebio: yes
13:48:07 <indiebio> cool, thanks
13:48:10 <Hodgestar> If people like it, maybe we can vote quickly and get a rough ranking of "importance of visiting venue"?
13:48:19 <Hodgestar> indiebio: Yep.
13:48:44 <wendar> yeah, visit the top 4-6 (something like that, depending on time)
13:48:47 <indiebio> I wanna go to tokia. Like Tokyo with Nokia. Or something :P
13:49:21 * nattie just read that as "Little Tokyo with Nokia" and started craving japanese food
13:49:30 <nattie> dammit, Bernelle!
13:49:36 <indiebio> hahaha
13:49:44 <nattie> *g*
13:49:58 <indiebio> I've got strawberries and cream in the fridge, ready for a backyard picnic. Y'all better finish up soon...
13:50:12 <nattie> yeah, my lift to rehearsal will be here in less than 2 hours
13:50:49 * tumbleweed has voted
13:51:17 <nattie> did we discuss the science centre? it looked too small, i think
13:51:43 * indiebio is done
13:51:49 <wendar> yeah, venue was too small
13:51:53 <indiebio> No response yet from sciencentre
13:52:10 * madduck waves vaguely from playground
13:52:30 <indiebio> I suspect they may be too small. I was wondering if we could do debian day there? but they also have a mobile unit which is EPIC
13:53:18 <nattie> madduck: we'll inform you when we have something more concrete. go watch your daughter play.
13:53:38 <indiebio> is there conference stuffs at Belmont square, Rondebosch?
13:53:44 <tumbleweed> indiebio: I think we want to stay in the same venue, if we possible can
13:53:57 <tumbleweed> spreading out too much makes network and video coverage reaaaaly hard
13:53:58 <indiebio> cool, mobile unit it is :)
13:54:10 <madduck> alioth approvals made
13:54:12 <tumbleweed> indiebio: we had pycon.za 2013 there
13:54:15 <indiebio> thanks :)
13:54:25 <tumbleweed> indiebio: so, Hodgestar knows them
13:54:30 <drnlm> belmont square is quite a nice conference venue - the issue is nearby accomodation
13:54:43 <nattie> belmont square is a new introduction?
13:54:45 <indiebio> oh ya, I remember now. mmm. naaaah
13:54:53 <nattie> (i don't remember sticking it on the thing)
13:54:53 <indiebio> IT's so ... suburban
13:55:05 <nattie> what's wrong with suburban?
13:55:13 <indiebio> vomiy
13:55:15 <indiebio> vomit
13:55:17 <nattie> in practical terms, i mean
13:55:21 <indiebio> yuck
13:55:31 <indiebio> we have *clears throat*
13:55:33 <indiebio> the mountain
13:55:34 <indiebio> the sea
13:55:38 <indiebio> all sorts of other stuff.
13:55:42 <indiebio> and you want to go
13:55:44 <indiebio> vomits again
13:55:47 <indiebio> suburban???
13:56:02 <nattie> i didn't say i *wanted* to go, i just wanted to know if there was something wrong with it apart from the vibe
13:56:08 <indiebio> it's great for, like, medical rep conferences
13:56:17 * Hodgestar votes.
13:56:18 <indiebio> well. grunt.
13:56:30 <tumbleweed> up to 7 votes \o/
13:56:33 <wendar> the sizes are right (belmont park), so it's worth listing prices
13:56:51 <nattie> is it easy enough to get away from?
13:56:53 <indiebio> sigh. fine. I'll contact them. tumbleweed, please action it on tibit
13:57:07 <tumbleweed> tibid: agreed (sorta) indiebio will prod belmont square
13:57:07 <tibid> Agreed: (sorta) indiebio will prod belmont square
13:57:23 <indiebio> it's in the middle of the rondebosch mob. sure, you can get away from it. but why. whyyyyyy
13:57:41 <nattie> ooh, it has a dance floor
13:56:54 <Hodgestar> indiebio: http://www.belmontsquare.co.za/ (PyConZA 2013 was there)
13:57:51 <indiebio> really.
13:58:06 <wendar> our first barrier of proof is that Cape Town is a good city, with good options for venue (more than one)
13:58:14 <nattie> i'm being mildly factiously frivolous
13:58:16 <wendar> then we pick the best one :)
13:58:27 <nattie> facetiously
13:58:43 <indiebio> you're totally being factually frivolous
13:59:02 <nattie> fractiously frivolous!
13:59:08 <indiebio> sigh. my life will suffer for it if we do a conference in the rondebosch mud. just saying.
13:59:14 <wendar> :)
13:59:20 <indiebio> fractally frivolous
13:59:56 <nattie> anyway.
14:00:25 <tumbleweed> indiebio: we can do better, yes :)
14:00:48 <nattie> but we may as well get a quotation for completeness of coverage
14:01:06 <nattie> i think the obvious favourite is breakwater, but if they're unavailable/too expensive/whatever, then we might as well have some other options
14:01:08 <indiebio> I will do so. I don't have to like it. :)
14:01:11 <nattie> :)
14:01:19 <indiebio> the river club and AIMS are both growing on me.
14:01:41 <indiebio> We might need to take a bit more time for AIMS. It might not be all at the same venue, but everything there is pretty much walking distance
14:01:43 <Hodgestar> indiebio: Belmont Square is really a surprisingly nice venue. :)
14:02:04 <indiebio> it's nice, and then you walk outside and the bloody averageness of it all hits you
14:02:23 <indiebio> and then, oh, and then you have to deal with those uppity ladies in the shopping places, the restaurants!
14:02:25 <indiebio> vomits again
14:02:31 <indiebio> I'm scarred for life
14:03:02 <nattie> so it's a second- or third-string backup venue
14:03:33 <wendar> looks like breakwater, main UCT, and Cape Town Stadium are definite visits
14:03:39 <wendar> (and close together)
14:04:49 <indiebio> main UCT and the river club are closer together. Do we have the results of the poll yet? We can then make a roadmap of sorts :)
14:04:56 <indiebio> where is praekelt for lunch?
14:05:02 <indiebio> :)
14:05:05 <wendar> yeah, I'm looking at poll results
14:05:07 <wendar> http://betterpolls.com/v/41354
14:05:21 <nattie> oh, we're doing site visits as a whole group, rather than dividing venues up? cool
14:05:35 <wendar> "Instant Runoff Normalized Ratings" seem to be most useful
14:05:34 <highvoltage> hmm @ http://atkvresorts.co.za/goudinispa-conferences
14:05:47 <wendar> nattie: yes, it'll be better to go together and compare notes
14:05:54 <nattie> wendar: absolutely
14:06:49 <nattie> what's a double u shape in terms of seating? is that two rows of u-shape, or what?
14:08:08 <indiebio> no idea...
14:08:13 <Hodgestar> indiebio: Lol. :P
14:08:28 <indiebio> what? why you lollinh?
14:08:45 <nattie> maybe you just give him the giggles?
14:09:00 <indiebio> it would be good to go all together, to hear and discuss the issues, and then if others come up I don't mind going to check it out based on what I've heard you all say
14:09:04 <Hodgestar> indiebio: Are your description of Rondebosch. :)
14:09:07 <Hodgestar> s/Are/At/
14:09:23 <indiebio> lol, it's true though
14:09:27 <nattie> oh, yeah, if someone can keep me in the loop via sms that would be grand...
14:09:44 <nattie> since i don't have a teleporter
14:10:09 <indiebio> and, for what it's worth. ATKV gives me the heebyjeebies. My brother won a 'young buffalo' award at one of them once. *shudders* they would have patricia lewis as entertainment acts. you know the type
14:10:22 <nattie> ?
14:10:29 <indiebio> we'll have an irc running, surely?
14:10:35 <Hodgestar> indiebio: Cape Town Praekelt office is in Woodstock, just below the Upper Eastside hotel.
14:10:51 <indiebio> think, overweight, white trash. But I fear I'm heading into very un-PC territory here
14:10:57 <nattie> indiebio: yeah, but i'm not about on monday afternoons but happy to be disturbed by text messages
14:11:34 <indiebio> cool. So we can do Breakwater, CT Stadium, and then head through to the river club and depending on how we're doing for time, UCT or lunch.
14:12:02 <indiebio> hmmm a tibit meeting as we go? then it all gets recorded
14:12:27 <highvoltage> indiebio: heh, it's been 20 years since I've been there, but I totally understand thate heebyjeebies
14:12:28 <indiebio> then AIMS and if we have time head through to Stellies on Baden Powell drive, it's sooo pretty :)
14:12:33 <wendar> indiebio: sounds like a good plan for Monday
14:13:11 <wendar> after lunch we can do whatever Cape Town locations we didn't manage before lunch
14:13:37 <indiebio> we just need to finish the towney spots before traffic hits.
14:13:55 <Hodgestar> I'm going to order the possible venues on the wiki page according to the normalized runoff ranking.
14:14:01 <tumbleweed> indiebio: praekelt invited us for lunch on monday
14:14:06 <Hodgestar> (unless there are objections)
14:14:14 <nattie> tumbleweed: she mentioned that
14:14:15 <indiebio> cool, thanks. That page needs a firm hand :)
14:14:35 <tumbleweed> nattie: yeah, I'm skimming too much
14:14:44 <Hodgestar> If someone can let me know how many of us are pitching up for lunch at Praekelt, I'll email someone and ask them to bump the catering numbers accordingly.
14:14:52 <tumbleweed> o/
14:14:58 <indiebio> o/
14:15:22 <wendar> o/
14:16:59 <tumbleweed> ok, and sounds like it's likely to me just indiebio, wendar, and me looking at venues
14:17:17 <indiebio> ginggs is writing exams, so he can't come, sadly
14:17:24 <highvoltage> (possibly me too if I can get off from work)
14:18:04 <nattie> "Dear Boss, please exuse Jonathan from work today, he has to look at conference venues. If this works, his life will be eaten up for the next two years. Best regards, Auntie Nattie"
14:18:18 <tumbleweed> "also can haz sponsorship?"
14:19:00 <indiebio> So logistics, meet at Breakwater at 9:00, or what?
14:19:15 <indiebio> oh, is this Monday or Tuesday?
14:19:19 <nattie> monday, i think
14:19:23 <wendar> Monday for cape town
14:19:28 <highvoltage> nattie: heh, they won't have trouble with the 'two years' part, I'm leaving them the end of the month to make more time for my side-projects / hobbies that already require the amount of time of two full time jobs :)
14:19:29 <wendar> tuesday for more remote options
14:19:41 <indiebio> tumbleweed, please action tibit the arrangements?
14:19:42 <nattie> highvoltage: well, i've written you a note then :)
14:19:52 <tumbleweed> breakwater at 9 from southern suburbs, will probably suck, traffic wise
14:19:59 <wendar> I'm coming from woodstock
14:20:15 <nattie> is 9:30 better? will it have cleared by then? 10?
14:20:16 <tumbleweed> or has traffic died by then?
14:21:07 <indiebio> Ihmm. Should we maybe then start in woodstock/rondebosch and work into town? If we start too late we're going to struggle fitting it all in
14:21:21 <indiebio> regardless of traffic, what's the earliest peeps can do comfortably?
14:21:28 <Hodgestar> Lunch numbers incremented by 3.
14:21:46 <indiebio> or even start at AIMS, Muizenberg?
14:22:09 <tumbleweed> indiebio: I can do 9am
14:22:30 <wendar> 9am works for me
14:22:51 <wendar> (we're checking on cars, just a second)
14:23:21 <indiebio> I've got a bakkie, so not very conducive to lift sharing, sorry
14:23:34 <wendar> I've got a rental, should be reasonable for 3
14:23:47 <wendar> we're just checking whether I need to pick tumbleweed up in the am
14:23:48 <tumbleweed> I haven't got confirmation that I've got a car, but almost certain I do
14:23:55 <tumbleweed> and I'm probably the furthest out
14:24:15 <indiebio> where are you, tumbleweed?
14:24:21 <tumbleweed> constantia
14:24:37 <tumbleweed> and it'll be a car that can comfortably seat 4
14:24:53 <nattie> tumbleweed taxi service it is, then?
14:26:14 <indiebio> 'K peeps, my strawberries are calling, we can sort out the logistics post-meeting, yes? What else needs to be discussed?
14:26:26 <wendar> all we need is the meeting spot for Monday morning
14:26:28 <tumbleweed> yeah, I think we've had about enough meeting
14:26:35 <wendar> someplace with parking, so we can leave extra cars
14:26:47 <indiebio> The river club in Obs?
14:27:02 <nattie> they do have breakfast there
14:27:06 <indiebio> UCT Rondebosch is NOT a good place, parking is a premuim
14:27:21 <tumbleweed> indiebio: maybe by wendar's hotel / praekelt (which are practically next door)
14:27:36 <highvoltage> +1
14:27:38 <tumbleweed> that is street parking, though
14:27:51 <tumbleweed> ah, they have a parking lot (they = praekelt)
14:27:59 <nattie> think they'll mind?
14:28:08 <tumbleweed> nattie: half of praekelt is here :)
14:28:14 <highvoltage> parking spaces 27 to 38 are ok
14:28:21 <highvoltage> (it belongs to praekelt)
14:28:26 <indiebio> sweet
14:28:33 <tumbleweed> ok
14:28:40 <tumbleweed> we have an ordered list
14:28:42 <tumbleweed> a meeting plan
14:28:44 <highvoltage> the gate to the parking should be open, if it's not, sms/call/whatsapp me on +27730570742 and I'll open it
14:28:46 <tumbleweed> anything else?
14:29:01 <indiebio> tumbleweed, can you tibit these for posterity though? the ordered list, in particular.
14:29:22 <tumbleweed> tibid: agreed venue priority list: http://betterpolls.com/v/41354
14:29:22 <tibid> Agreed: venue priority list: http://betterpolls.com/v/41354
14:29:40 <tumbleweed> tibid: agreed meet at 9am at praekelt on monday
14:29:40 <tibid> Agreed: meet at 9am at praekelt on monday
14:30:24 <tumbleweed> tibid: end meeting